Boy were you wrong. Looks the MRNA Vaccines might actually be doing the opposite of helping people. When will you admit you were also wrong like all the other useful idiots?
What are the scenarios we might might expect (or just contemplate) in which we transition to a post-COVID reality? The transitions and how that reality might look?
I'm still trying to grapple with what the failure point is in patients for whom the vaccine was not effective and what that means with regards to transmission from vaccinated people.
I envision there being a race between the vaccine invading cells and the immune system destroying the virus. The vaccine drastically increases the speed of the immune response, but is it really so inconceivable that, in some vaccinated patients at least, that the vaccine can build up to transmissible level before the immune system gears up?
I'm a chemist, not a biologist, so I don't know if thinking of this as a rate competition is useful.
Oh man, I wish this post were public so I could share it with everyone. The resistance to accepting that the vaccine works and prevents COVID infection and transmission is wild to me. Sure, we don't have a double-blind study proving the lack of transmission, but we also don't have a double-blind study proving masks are effective against COVID. Why is perfect science demanded of the former but not the latter? These vaccines are truly miraculous--let us out of this nightmare!
In order to show that I’m a serious person, I’m probably supposed to comment on the main part of the post, but that cartoon is one of my favorite Bugs Bunny episodes! Thanks for reminding me of it
Do you ever lurk on the COVIDposititive or COVIDvaccinated subreddit? Yes, I know it’s Reddit, but it’s one of the only publicly open databases of people and their symptoms and there are enough stories of people getting COVID after a full vaccination to give one pause. Anyone who followed the COVID+ subreddit knew long before the media acknowledged that you can for sure get COVID twice. Now I think it’s it an early indication that the vaccine is not foolproof. I am a lockdown skeptic and am getting a vax when I’m eligible, but I worry about people freaking out and shutting down again if we don’t normalize mild COVID cases. I want peol to realize that COVID will always be around and we need to open back up in spite of it.
You can yell all you want, but the owners will not allow this information to spread. It is controversial because they want it to be so they have a reason to not give up their new powers, which is why you see everywhere that all of the restrictions added before are still in place even after people have the vaccine.
On a similar topic, is there good data yet to indicate how long natural immunity (from getting COVID) lasts? My impression is that reinfections have been rare (but don't know how they compare to vaccinated people getting infected), but the public health messaging here has been similar - we're supposed to act like people who have already been infected/recovered are just as likely to spread the disease as people who have never had it.
Boy were you wrong. Looks the MRNA Vaccines might actually be doing the opposite of helping people. When will you admit you were also wrong like all the other useful idiots?
What are the scenarios we might might expect (or just contemplate) in which we transition to a post-COVID reality? The transitions and how that reality might look?
I'm still trying to grapple with what the failure point is in patients for whom the vaccine was not effective and what that means with regards to transmission from vaccinated people.
I envision there being a race between the vaccine invading cells and the immune system destroying the virus. The vaccine drastically increases the speed of the immune response, but is it really so inconceivable that, in some vaccinated patients at least, that the vaccine can build up to transmissible level before the immune system gears up?
I'm a chemist, not a biologist, so I don't know if thinking of this as a rate competition is useful.
Oh man, I wish this post were public so I could share it with everyone. The resistance to accepting that the vaccine works and prevents COVID infection and transmission is wild to me. Sure, we don't have a double-blind study proving the lack of transmission, but we also don't have a double-blind study proving masks are effective against COVID. Why is perfect science demanded of the former but not the latter? These vaccines are truly miraculous--let us out of this nightmare!
In order to show that I’m a serious person, I’m probably supposed to comment on the main part of the post, but that cartoon is one of my favorite Bugs Bunny episodes! Thanks for reminding me of it
Do you ever lurk on the COVIDposititive or COVIDvaccinated subreddit? Yes, I know it’s Reddit, but it’s one of the only publicly open databases of people and their symptoms and there are enough stories of people getting COVID after a full vaccination to give one pause. Anyone who followed the COVID+ subreddit knew long before the media acknowledged that you can for sure get COVID twice. Now I think it’s it an early indication that the vaccine is not foolproof. I am a lockdown skeptic and am getting a vax when I’m eligible, but I worry about people freaking out and shutting down again if we don’t normalize mild COVID cases. I want peol to realize that COVID will always be around and we need to open back up in spite of it.
You can yell all you want, but the owners will not allow this information to spread. It is controversial because they want it to be so they have a reason to not give up their new powers, which is why you see everywhere that all of the restrictions added before are still in place even after people have the vaccine.
On a similar topic, is there good data yet to indicate how long natural immunity (from getting COVID) lasts? My impression is that reinfections have been rare (but don't know how they compare to vaccinated people getting infected), but the public health messaging here has been similar - we're supposed to act like people who have already been infected/recovered are just as likely to spread the disease as people who have never had it.